Interview w/ Led
By: Nick Caceres
Published: 05/17/2024
Scattered across the darker corners of Spotify and Bandcamp, UK artist, Led, is a fresh face in the realm of experimental music. In just under a few years, they managed to arrange a generous size of cryptic albums and EPs under several aliases, dappling in plunderphonics, power electronics, industrial and sound collage.
Everything from the album art, samples and sound design fall under an ethereal turmoil, circling around abstract themes of depression and isolation. However, Led stays winning with an expanding discography, still in it’s early years with a potential magnum opus still in the future.
Recently, I had the opportunity to talk with led about their new album, “Untitled lp,” and much more over email.
Artist image of Led
Photo Courtesy of Led
Nick: Who are you and how’ve you been lately?
Led: I’m a random nobody known as Led and I make music for other random nobodies. I’m doing fine I guess. Busy and tired mostly.
Nick: Where and how did you grow up?
Led: I grew up in this southwestern part of England. My parents were south asian, so my upbringing was kind of all over the place to be honest. We lived in a working class household so things were pretty boring I guess. I was mostly sheltered and wasn’t allowed out that much until I was a bit older, so yeah it was fun!
Nick: How did that lead into making music?
Led: It's kind of weird actually because I was never really into music as a kid. I grew up loving films and I guess music was just there, you know, existing. My parents got me into Michael Jackson as a kid and I remember loving his music videos and the way he danced and all that. I remember trying to mimic the moonwalk and sucking at it. I just realized I went off-topic, my bad. I didnt get into making stuff until sometime after COVID I think, so early 2021. Before that, I had an obsession with wanting to be in a band which was really shit to be honest. Me and the other band members didn’t really get along that much. There was this one black friday sale and somehow my dad managed to get a Mac. I would often mess around on it and stuff but then I found Garageband and I just started making shit. It was just basic electronic-synthy-stuff to be honest. I think it was a year or two later that I got my first ever laptop which was given to me for the main purpose of “studying” but instead I looked for DAWs and stuff to download. There was a lot going on and I was isolated to be honest. I spent a lot of time by myself. The only time I went out was for school. I guess I kind of manifested all the boredom and stuff I felt back then into my music.
Nick: On new year's day, you dropped “Untitled lp” which just so happens to be the first 2024 release I checked out. Where did the cover art originate from? Congrats by the way.
Led: Thank you. To be honest, I didn’t have a plan for the album cover until maybe a day or a few hours before the release. Originally I wanted it to be the cover of the EP, “Untitled ep,” but I didn’t want to do the thing that a lot of artists do where they use the same album artwork as their singles and EPs. I made this one other design for it which ended up being the Bandcamp profile pic for Skin Damage. I think I just scrolled through my camera roll and found this old edit I made. It was a screenshot from this old Atari Teenage Riot concert I found, it had this gloomy-dark-greenish-nightvision like thing to it. I don’t know man, it looked cool!
Nick: What was your reasoning behind the predominantly droning plunderphonic atmosphere?
Led: I feel like the album was just a collage of everything I was feeling at the time. I never knew how to put that into music so I just messed around with samples. I wanted it feel like a soundtrack, in a way, for a film, as if each song was a scene from the film. I also wanted to “experiment” with the samples. You know…its weird because I don’t even know how to explain it to be honest.
Nick: Are there any music albums or even films that served as an inspiration for this album?
Led: Kinda? I guess. Mostly just Dean Blunt or Hype Williams, The KLF too. Argo Nuff has had some influence and I was originally supposed to collaborate with them but we kind of lost contact and never really settled on anything afterwards. In terms of albums, “Black is Beautiful” by Dean Blunt and Inga Copeland is a massive influence. I feel like for my next album, I’d be trying my best to recreate that album again. I feel like a lot of the films I sampled could be inspirations too, “Mauvais Sang” (1986), “Totally Fucked Up” (1993) etc.
Nick: Could you give me a sample breakdown on some of these tracks and why you used them in the ways you did?
Led: Of course. The sixth song, “Powerline,'' has this sample that plays around a minute and 30 into the track. It's actually a sample of David Bowie’s song, “Modern Love.'' I think I just took a random portion of it and looped it, then reversed it and added some reverb as well as pitched it down a bit, might’ve slowed it down too but I can't remember. I was just messing around with the sample to be honest, trying to see what sounds I can come up with. It makes sense in the context of the french film I sampled in the same track, in which the main character would later start running with the Bowie song playing in the background. I did the same with the other sample in the track, which is more electronic I guess. That one sampled that Crystal Castles song, “Vanished,” was the track I think, it was mainly me cutting up the sample and rearranging them to create a new melody or something. The second track, “Permanent,” is pretty small, an interlude, and it’s called that mainly because the guitar in it is sampled from this Radiohead B-side, “Permanent Daylight.” I’m surprised that not many people talk about that track. Any ways, I took the sample and slowed + pitched it down a bit. To fit with the atmosphere of the album, I added field recordings in the background to make it sound or feel like its being played in a scene from a film or something. I added a sample from this film called “Totally Fucked Up” (1993) in which a character briefly opens up about themselves in a videotape or something.
Nick: Interestingly, you released “Untitled ep” back in Sept 2023 which included a few tracks that would eventually end up on “Untitled lp,” however it included a few that didn’t make it onto the album. Why did you decide to cut those from the album or was that always the plan to only include them on the EP?
Led: Those were mainly just B-sides to be honest. I didn’t really think much of it to be honest. I’d say that even the tracks that did end up on the album are still different. The album versions of those tracks are more, “cleaner,” I guess, in terms of mixing and stuff.
Skin Damage artist image. This was originally going to be the "Untitled lp" album cover.
Image courtesy of Bandcamp
Skin Damage - "Untitled lp" (2024) album cover
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Skin Damage - "Untitled ep" (2023) EP cover
Image Courtesy of Bandcamp
Nick: On your YouTube channel, you made a psychotic visual for the track, “Bag of Limbs.” Where did the footage come from?
Led: Its from this horror film called “Possession” by Andrzej Żuławski which is now getting a lot of attention on TikTok and stuff which is funny but its a great film though, one of my favorite films of all time.
[led]. (2023, August 31). bag of limbs [Video].
Nick: Going back to the first track off the album, you made a visual for the track, “aliceglasseulogy.” Why dedicate a track and video to this singer?
Led: To be honest, I don’t know. I guess I made that video after finding out about the Crystal Castles controversy and how evil Ethan Kath is. I felt stupid for not knowing about it sooner. The name also lingered around for a bit, I don't know why. it somehow suited the track. It doesn’t even sample Crystal Castles.
Nick: What did you sample for the track if not Crystal Castles?
Led: The sample was “Tuck” by Yves Tumor and this one unreleased Tyler, the Creator song I found on YouTube. I think it's called “It’s okay you’re with me” or something.
[led]. (2023, October 24). alice glass tribute [Video].
Nick: I know that more recently you dropped a visual for the final track “Bleeding Isn’t That Difficult.” Where did the footage come from and why did you use it for this track in particular?
Led: It comes from this old obscure Indian film I found called “Pokkuveyil” (1982), which translates to “The Twilight.'' It's one of my favorites and the depiction of depression and loneliness in the film is so unique to me. The final scene, however, stuck with me. It's very personal and I don’t know why but it fully encapsulates the loneliness represented in the track. Both the track and the film show this gradual development of paranoia as well as show the fear of ending up alone.
[led]. (2024, April 25). bleeding isn't that difficult [Video].
Nick: Speaking of “Bleeding isn't difficult,” you also dropped a small EP in February under the alias, “Bugboy☆.” Is the name “deleting soon'' literal or is this staying for good?
Led: It’s literal, I only put it out there because there already was a small group of people listening to the Bugboy☆ stuff so I just wanted them to know about Skin Damage and this track in particular.
Nick: Similar to “Untitled ep,” this release included a track that was previously not in “Untitled lp.” Were those tracks made after the fact or before? If the ladder, why were they not included?
Led: I don’t know why I put that out there to be honest, I thought people might dig it. It was just one of those tracks I made with no intention of releasing it. Maybe if I make a compilation album of random b-sides and demos, I’ll probably add it.
Skin Damage - "Deleting Soon" (2024) EP cover
Image Courtesy of Led
Nick: Let’s rewind to one of your earliest releases, “POWDER.” What was the meaning behind the alias, “Bugboy☆?”
Led: I remember this being a very personal album whilst also being my first. Now that I look back at it, it's not that deep. I don’t know why i chose the name. I liked “bunny boy” but that was taken (the artist under the bunny boy alias makes great music too by the way, check them out). I had a friend called Bug, maybe that was why.
Nick: Is the cover art a self-portrait? If so, why?
Led: Yeah..I hate looking at it. Feels weird, It was my attempt at ripping Dean Blunt again, that time it was the album cover for “The Attitude Era.”
Nick: One track in particular, “O,” is perhaps one of my favorite Bugboy☆ tracks. It has that sound that feels, even smells, like a vast interior of a building. Was that expanse something you were trying to convey with that track?
Led: Its actually one of my least favorites. I felt like I could’ve actually tried on that track instead of making it just an interlude. There was this ominous feel to it or something…I don't know. It fits with the album. Glad you like it though!
Nick: Just like with “Untitled lp,” could you give me a sample breakdown on some of the tracks off of this album and why you chose them?
Led: The first track, “Covenant,” is sort of a sample of sample in which I sampled “When the Sun Hits” by Slowdive. I took the intro guitar riff from the song and looped it. I then took the loop and added a lot of reverb and distortion to make it feel compressed and kind of claustrophobic in a way. I slowed + pitched it down and duplicated it so I had two of the same samples. I played both of them together except I reversed one of them, so there's two layers of the same sample. One’s playing in reverse, and the other isn't. I’ll be honest, I can’t remember much from that album but track six, “Prudence,” samples Ecco2k and I basically added a shit ton of reverb and reversed it. It was this song called “Bliss Fields” from his “E” album.
Nick: How did you construct or layer these tracks, especially the more abrasive ones?
Led: Easy, just fuck-about with samples. With “POWDER,” I just tried to make it as noisy as possible and I don’t think it paid off that well.
Nick: If you had the chance to revisit this album, what would you change?
Led: Everything, I probably wouldn’t even release it. Maybe I’d remove the track, “Stalker.” I thought that track was so deep, now it's just really corny and well…shit.
Bugboy☆ - "POWDER" (2022) album cover
Image Courtesy of Bandcamp
Nick: Transitioning from “POWDER,” you also dropped an EP not long after. Could you explain “Access EP (RAVEWARE SURVIVORS GUIDE)?”
Led: Yeah, this was my attempt at trying to make a “multi-EP concept album” that followed a storyline…and it sucked ass.
Nick: Where did the cover art originate from?
Led: It was my attempt at ripping off James Ferraro’s “Rain” EP (under the Bodyguard alias). It was a picture I took that I edited with the title enlarged on the side. If you look closer, behind the title, you could maybe actually see the blurred picture I took of myself.
Bugboy☆ - "Access EP (RAVEWARE SURVIVORS GUIDE)" (2023) EP cover
Image Courtesy of Bandcamp
Nick: I know that you made a visual for the track, “78wounds.” How did you construct the frantic atmosphere throughout this entire thing?
Led: Distortion, a lot of it. Spilling sulfuric acid on my laptop also helped a lot.
[led]. (2023, January 27). 78wounds [Video].
Nick: Could you explain the follow-up to “Access EP (RAVEWAR SURVIVORS GUIDE)” and how they are both related to each other?
Led: “Tumor EP” was a sequel to the “Access EP.” The second installment. There was going to be more but then I just gave up on it and realized how dumb it was.
Nick: I noticed that there was a track, “Lucifer (Dean Tribute),” that referenced the artist, Dean Blunt. What significance has that guy had on your music and life in general?
Led: I owe that man a lot. I’m basically just ripping him off to be honest. His music felt alien and very different to everything else I was listening to at the time. It felt very original in some way, this weird musical entity, sometimes cryptic. He’s had a massive impact. I find it kind of hard, I guess, to talk about him, because sometimes I can’t even describe his impact, if that makes sense.
Nick: Where did the looping sample come from on that track?
Led: The track is actually a remix of this really obscure Dean track called “Darcus.” It was short so I made it longer and by doing that I completely ruined it. I’ll be honest, I don’t even know where he got the sample from, can’t find it anywhere online which is pretty unfortunate.
Nick: There was also a track on this EP that would eventually end up on “Untitled lp.” Could you explain what that track was and your thought process while crafting it at the time?
Led: I was just messing around, sampling this one song by the Pixies, “Monkey Gone to Heaven.” I think I looped a specific section of it and reversed it. I also pitched it down and added some reverb. That was originally going to be it then, for some random reason, I decided to add a shit ton of distortion to it. I then increased the reverb too and added these weird distorted and delayed drum machines and then somehow I created this weird shoegazey noise rock type track. My thought process was fucked from a mental breakdown had happened before I made the track. I feel like I must’ve manifested all of those emotions into that track somehow, I dont know. The Skin Damage version is better though.
Nick: Is there some sort of narrative you had in mind when using the words “access” and “tumor” with these EPs?
Led: It was going to link in with the “story” I had planned for the EPs, something to do with a “techno warfare” or some shit. It's really dumb.
Bugboy☆ - "Tumor EP" (2023) EP cover
Image Courtesy of Bandcamp
Nick: Between and shortly after the first installment of RAVEWARE SURVIVORS GUIDE and “POWDER” you had small run of singles, which were also under the Bugboy alias. Could you give me a sample breakdown and why you constructed both “(Organs Fail) The Clouds Above Us Are Dissapearing, We’ll Be Seeing Syars From Now On” and “Doomed?”
Led: The first was released before the “Access EP” I think. I don’t remember much about how I made that track, the usual reversed sampling stuff I guess. Interestingly I did email Phil Elvrum before releasing this because of The Microphones sample and he actually reached back and told me that he liked it, I don’t know if I’ll ever forget that. “Doomed” was a promotional single for the “Access EP” and I basically used the same method of sampling as the track “idontcareanymore” with the distortion, intense reverb and the inclusion of delayed and distorted drum machines.
Nick: The final single, “Skins that won’t touch (flicks lip),” I believe is one of your longest tracks to date. Do you feel like it was justified to create a more lasting version of that track? How so?
Led: I was really proud of that track. I would often listen to it over and over again, so I decided to make it last longer by extending it. I guess I made it for myself, same with all my other music but especially that one.
Nick: What does Bjork of all people have to do with these singles?
Led: I didn’t realise this until now. Maybe a coincidence??…I don’t know.
Bugboy☆ - "(Organs Fail) The Clouds Above Us Are Disappearing, We’ll Be Seeing Stars From Now On" (2023) single cover
Image Courtesy of Spotify
Bugboy☆ - "Doomed" (2023) single cover
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Bugboy☆ - "Skins that won’t touch (flicks lip) [extended harsh epidemic version]" (2023) single cover
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Nick: Returning to the single, “Doomed,” you created also a visual for that track in a very similar fashion to “78wounds.” How did you approach the fast-paced collage style of this video compared to that earlier one?
Led: I made those two videos on the same day, I think. I think there are glimpses of the “78 Wounds” video in the “Doomed” video. Most of the time, the style just has to match up with the track.
Nick: Additionally, this video approach stayed pretty consistent throughout your channel. Why is that the case?
Led: I like inflicting headaches on people.
[led]. (2023, January 31). doomed [Video].
Nick: Not long after this slew of Bugboy☆ singles and EPs, you also dropped “*Breast Bite” under a new alias, Riot Extended. I’d like to know why the riot was extended? What was the meaning behind that name?
Led: I thought it sounded cool
Nick: I feel like this was one of your more abrasive releases. Why did you decided to venture more into harsh noise and power electronics? Did you simply acquire new hardware that made this more possible?
Led: I started using FL Studio, I still don’t know what I’m doing. I always wanted to make harsh noise. There was always fragments of noise or power electronic type stuff in my music but I never really made a full on noise track.
Nick: How did you approach sampling with this release? Something seems different here.
Led: Not much changed with the sampling to be honest, I mainly just focused distorting it and sort of manipulating into sounding like something totally different.
Nick: Are you planning on or considering releasing more music under this name?
Led: Yes…hopefully…maybe…I don’t know…I think I might release another EP later this year.
Nick: In regards to the album art, You’ve mentioned before that you come from a South Asian background. Is the artwork of that origin? If so, from where exactly?
Led: Yeah actually, it’s this old indian painting from 1896 called “Tilottama” by this dude called Raja Ravi Varma or something and I thought it looked cool. Also it’s where the name came from.
Riot Extended - "*Breast Bite" (2023) album cover
Image Courtesy of Bandcamp
Nick: Finally, I’d like to talk about the curated playlists on your Spotify, which houses your Bugboy☆ releases. What’s the approach when curating these playlists and giving them a proper name?
Led: It's kind of random to be honest, nothing too deep. I often like making playlists as if they’re soundtracks to films that don’t even exist.
Bugboy☆ - "Nudes" playlist cover
Image Courtesy of Led
Bugboy☆ - "I don't want to become Johnny from naked (1993)" playlist cover
Image Courtesy of Led
Nick: What are some future directions you’d like to take your music in?
Led: I have no clue. I guess I want to collaborate more, use more instruments, get away from sampling. Right now I’m more focused on a film I’m making,
Nick: Any final remarks?
Led: Thank you for having me and remember to drink water :)